Posts by Disillusioned JW

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You're DISFELLOWSHIPPED, Please---DON'T CONTACT US, Until You Return to Jehovah's Organization!

by pistolpete in

i just heard this story from one of my relatives.

i'm leaving a lot of things out.. a jw couple had three kids and raised them in the religion.

the oldest one got disfellowshipped at 18 years of age because he committed fornication with a jw girl.

Disillusioned JW

Isn't the the quote of "..........normal family relations continue with the exception of spiritual fellowship" half true instead of a lie (though not in the case of those who are no longer in the same household)? Namely doesn't some of the WT literature teach such in the case of where a disfellowshipped family member (especially if the disfellowipped person is the husband or wife of one of the other JW members) is living in the same household as the JW family members? I know I have read such in the WT literature during the time I was an active JW. The WT doesn't want to promote the idea that a JW should divorce their disfellowshipped spouse, except in the situation where the disfellowshipped spouse is a physical danger to the JW spouse right. Right? Maybe the WT says it OK for a JW to divorce their disfellowshipped spouse if the DF spouse is a spiritual danger to the JW spouse.

Regarding the divorce rates of JWs versus that of those 'in the world', are the rates really about the same? Though I am now an ex-JW (but not officially) I still think the WT is correct in saying that the JW divorce rate is much lower.

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The Governing Body Announces That Some In-Person Meetings Will Resume in Select Areas

by Disillusioned JW in

related to the pilot program for in-person meetings for the vaccinated (jehovahs-witness.com) topic thread there is the following news announcement direct the org: the governing body announces that some in-person meetings will resume in select areas (jw.org) .

i certainly won't be participating in that..

Disillusioned JW

Related to the Pilot program for in-person meetings for the vaccinated (jehovahs-witness.com) topic thread there is the following news announcement direct the Org: The Governing Body Announces That Some In-Person Meetings Will Resume in Select Areas (jw.org) . I certainly won't be participating in that.

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Interesting Scripture!

by Iamallcool in

https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/jeremiah/20/#v24020007 .

.i have never noticed this scripture!

verse 7. i have never read the whole bible!

Disillusioned JW

That is a great verse for showing what the god the Bible (one who allegedly exists) is - a deceiver (except that I know he is a fictional character). That is despite the Letter to the Hebrews claiming that God cannot lie. Maybe the Governing Body of the JWs console themselves with that verse, thinking it gives them the right to deceive their readers (even JWs) in the name of kingdom interests and in the name of promoting the theocracy of the LORD (Yahweh/Jehovah).

Update: Some Bible commentaries say that Jeremiah was in emotional distress only temporarily thought that Yahweh was deceptive. Those commentaries say that later verses show that Jeremiah later learned that Yahweh was not being deceptive.

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How did you learn the truth about the truth?

by Iamallcool in

any takers?.

Disillusioned JW

Those of you who found evidence in Ray Franz's books against the WT, what verifiable evidence did you find? I am interested to learn about it.

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Liberal vs. Conservative mental health study - what do you make of it?

by Brock Talon in

a pew study from 2020 (but one i just now came upon myself) reported that the more liberal you are, the more likely you are to have a mental health condition.

the worst suffering group are white females, ages 18-29 where over 56% have admitted to be described by their own doctors as having a mental health condition.

conservative females of the same age group suffer at less than half that number (27%).. while women tend to have more mental health problems than men (don't be mad at me for saying it, this is what the study reports) it is notable that liberal men have a higher percentage of mental health conditions than conservative women in the same age group.

Disillusioned JW

I'm just now starting to read this topic thread, thus I haven't yet read the Pew report, but what I notice thus far is that the articles that are discussing it are only comparing conservatives and liberals who are WHITE. For example in the articles there appears to be no mention about black liberals versus whites (liberal or conservative). Maybe the black liberals have less mental problems than white conservatives. ;)

Studies that I have seen say that atheists in the USA know more facts about the Bible (such as the names of the biblical books and the commandments of the 10 commandments) than do Christians in the USA; that a higher percentage of atheists in the USA have higher formal education and higher pay than do Christians in the USA (with Christians of very conservative denominations/churches [such as baptists, Mormons and JWs] having less education and pay than those of liberal denominations/churches [such as Unitarian/Universalists and Episcopalians]); that the percentage of atheists in the USA who are political liberal and aligned with the Democratic party is higher than people in the USA who are not atheists.

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What Should Have Been Their "Surname" or "Last Name"?

by titch in

ok, folks, so here's my question.

now then, assuming that you believe that there was an actual first man and a first woman, as the bible propounds, that had the name of "adam" and "eve" (as we have called them, in the english language) well, what do you think that their surname or last name would have been, or should have been?

that is, if they had surnames way back then, in the so-called "beginning" of human existence?

Disillusioned JW

titch, I remember reading somewhere that the word/name adam just means "man" and the word/name eve just means "mother" or maybe "woman", and that as a result the (or "a"?) Jewish view is that the story(ies) in Genesis about them are meant as allegories (and that Adam and Eve were not historical persons). I am not sure if that idea I read is correct, but I think it might be since I noticed names of characters in Greek myths seemingly used that way. For example, the woman named Arachne who was a weaver who weaved story-like patterns into her items and is later turned into a spider (the first spider) by an angered goddess as punishment ("arachne" is the Greek word for "spider") and the story says that all other spiders are her offspring. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachne .

Also the man named Narcissus is said in a story to have fallen in love with himself. A nymph named Echo who loved him is punished by a goddess such that in speaking she can only do so by repeating the words (like an echo) of others (such as of Narcissus). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_(mythology) .

[If you think the biblical god character named Yahweh/Jehovah is mean and even evil (at least at times), a number of the Greek god characters (including goddesses) were far worse.]

I read the above Greek stories in the book called Bulfinch's Mythology and later in the book called Mythology by Edith Hamilton.

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How did you learn the truth about the truth?

by Iamallcool in

any takers?.

Disillusioned JW

I think it is significant that I started having major doubts as a baptized JW at about age 30 (the same age that Jesus was allegedly baptized and began his ministry). People shouldn't be allowed to officially join a religion (especially a cult or cult-like one) prior to age 21, especially prior to age 18. In the USA people can't enter a legally binding contract until age 18, so they also shouldn't be able to officially join a religion prior to age 18 and people shouldn't be able to baptize them as babies (nor at any other time against or without their consent).

Major things that caused to seriously doubt the religion were the following (not necessarily in temporal order and not necessarily in the order of importance).

- The Revelation book claiming that the resolutions in the 1920s-1930s (or so) were the trumpet blast of angels (or Earthly fulfillments of such)

- Seeing increased evidence of biological evolution

- Seeing doctrinal changes by the WT during the years I was a baptized JW and learning more about doctrinal changes that took place before I was even born.

- Learning more about the history of the WT religion by studying the Proclaimers book which came out around the year 1995 and learning more about failed prediction of the WT.

- The WT specifically changing their teachings of: when the great crowd comes into existence, the generation of 1914, Christ coming in his glory and when the sheep and goats get separated, blood fractions, WT's former UN NGO status, etc.

- Learning things from the internet about the WT, including about Beth Sarim

- Noticing that the Great Tribulation hasn't started yet and that 2 decades (in 1995) had passed since the year 1975; changes regarding the length of the creative days

- Noticing the flawed process of appointing servants to the congregation, when according to the WT the appointments are made by Jehovah and that the elders merely recognize Jehovah's choice for the appointments.

- Noticing to prayer to Jehovah for help doesn't work, even praying for help to conquer a habit which according to the WT is disapproved of by Jehovah God.

- Learning from the internet that biblical scholars and archaeologists are overwhelmingly in consensus that Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 BCE or 587 BCE instead of 607 BCE.

- Seeing evidence in the WT's publications, including the way to quote non-WT publications, that show the WT is dishonest in many things they say.

There are probably more things I could add to this list, but I have to do other things now (nearly time to start getting ready to go to work) and thus I won't add the other things (if any) till later.

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What Do You Like About Biden's Build Back Better Agenda & the Democrat's Build Back Better Act?

by Disillusioned JW in

what do you like about biden's build back better agenda & the democrat's build back better act?

is it liberal and progressive enough for you or do you wish it would go further?

https://www.vox.com/22711083/biden-reconciliation-build-back-better-polls-infrastructure has some comments about it.

Disillusioned JW

What Do You Like About Biden's Build Back Better Agenda & the Democrat's Build Back Better Act? Is it liberal and progressive enough for you or do you wish it would go further? https://www.vox.com/22711083/biden-reconciliation-build-back-better-polls-infrastructure has some comments about it. From reading it I learned that apparently the official name of the reconciliation bill for the progressive portion of the infrastructural bill is called the Build Back Better Act.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/build-back-better/ is the official information source for Biden's Build Back Better Agenda.

I like the provisions for green energy as well as for lower health care costs and lower prescription drug costs.

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Does the Watchtower/JW Organization Regard its Readers & JWs as Fools and are they Secretly Laughing at Them?

by Disillusioned JW in

does the watchtower/jw organization regard its readers & jws as fools and are they secretly laughing at them?

for some examples consider the following.. the wt literature has many times used odd language where they say one thing but word it in such a way as to suggest something else.

they have said that a number of jws drew incorrect expectations about a number of things, including about 1914 and 1975, though it was the wt itself which proclaimed and taught those expectations in the wt's literature to jws.

Disillusioned JW

Does the Watchtower/JW Organization Regard its Readers & JWs as Fools and are they Secretly Laughing at Them? I think it does. For some examples consider the following.

The WT literature has many times used odd language where they say one thing but word it in such a way as to suggest something else. They have said that a number of JWs drew incorrect expectations about a number of things, including about 1914 and 1975, though it was the WT itself which proclaimed and taught those expectations in the WT's literature to JWs. The WT, after they said it was a conscious matter for JWs to accept non-military service (such as being medical workers) instead of having to go to prison for refusal to engage in combat, said JWs were foolish to reject such an option - even though the WT previously said that those accepting such an option would be committing a grave wrong. A tremendous number of times the WT has made extravagant claims and have told JWs that they must agree with what the WT says or risk being shunned, yet later the WT abandoned a number of its claims saying their own claims were in error.

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How did you learn the truth about the truth?

by Iamallcool in

any takers?.

Disillusioned JW

I notice that some of you mentioned that reading books by Ray Franz was a major influence. I purchased his Conflict book and read sections of it, but my impression was that much of what he said (such as claims of what took place in governing body meetings) are not claims which I could test. I was impressed by some other statements in his book, but not enough to prevent me from selling the book. What evidence did you folks find in Ray's books that was important to you?